DVM Dunbar -
http://tinyurl.com/32yhs7k

Thoughtful-Animal re *miklosi, et al*
http://tinyurl.com/238qxsu


*eric goebelbecker* opines on both -
http://tinyurl.com/28x9zj9

Loved the article by Dr Dunbar!

"Whether we consider a dog to be a subservient, obsequious wimp, or an ultra-mega, alpha-dominant, human-dissing dog that is plotting to take over, first the family and then, the world … we still have to train the little doggie to like people and to respond reliably to basic manners."

This part had me laughing

"Let’s keep it simple. If the dog jumps-up, teach her to sit when greeting people. If the dog pees in the house, housetrain him. If the dog barks excessively at inappropriate stimuli, teach her to Shush on cue. If the dog pulls on leash, teach him to walk on a loose leash. If your dog wants to eat before you, feed her first — just as long as it’s OK with you. If your dog wants to sleep on the couch or your bed, let him — just as long as it’s OK with you (and your spouse) and the dog will move over or get off the couch/bed when requested. It’s really that simple; think how you would like your dog to act and then train and motivate the dog to want to act that way. There’s no need for a battle."

"This is the very essence of domestication. A hand-raised, socialized, wolf is not a dog. (As Ray Coppinger Jr. puts it in his book, a tame wolf is simply a wolf that is not afraid of people — think about that for a second.) And a feral dog is not a wolf. Domesticated species don't just tolerate people, they interact with them and in the case of dogs, actively seek out contact with them."

And these ones had me nodding, loved it!

the U-Tube videos of the human-reared wolves in *miklosi, et al* study?

among other things, they BIT when prevented from taking food from the table - definitely not a response
one would anticipate from a young dog or puppy, but par for the course for the habituated wolves.
i'll see if i can find one or more...